sluggish millenia s/other issues

[TravisJamesBarrett]

Hi I haven't been on here for a while but I do ofter search through the forums for information.
Im wondering if it is normal for a millenia s to be very sluggish off the line. Ive read a lot of complaints about this throughout the internet.
I got my fiance one almost 1 year ago, since then I have replaced only spark plugs and done normal maintenance. just picked up struts, e brake cable, tie rod end etc and that can all figure out how to do

however I cant quite figure out the sluggishness. It is completely driveable but off the line is slower than pretty well anything i have ever driven including my deville with only 200bhp and a much heavier car. The only code it is showing is a large evap system leak.

It recently has began to leak a small amount of gas, barely notcible. It is coming from the top of the tank, im assuming it is a return line or something of the sort and that that is also causing the evap code. Just brainstorming that idea

But for the sluggishness does anyone think it sounds like the cats, and aside from gutting them and checking for a difference how would I find out if that is the problem. It does have the typical smoke on startup and i believe that is what could be clogging the cats and causing the slow acceleration

[bigb]

my leg hurts and my doctor says I should take better care of my feet. Do you think I can fix it by amputating my arm?

fix the codes first. then when your car is in proper working order worry about other issues.

shiesh. no offense but like ****. if your car is in disrepair don't complain that it doesn't drive nice

[TravisJamesBarrett]

its an evap code use your head I know the code, I told you the code. How the **** is an evap emissions code going to make a car gutless. The evap system is such a large array of vacuum lines and hoses the only way to find out is a smoke test.
you disrespectful little ****

[TravisJamesBarrett]

you have however, done a very good job in answering any of my question. Like is it normally a sluggish off the line car? I dont know I dont own two. There is only about a dozen here in ns.
Maybe someone with a usefull brain who owns one of these can answer just that question

[yel-low]

.... all those guys could give two s hits about helping you out bro. They all flew the coupe a long time ago. This place aint the place it "used" to be. Full of little "......." like yourself asking for FREE unappreciated help and demanding answers. Everyone that used to gave a F#$K moved on to bigger and better places.

Evap code = Gross Vac leak
Gross Vac leak = Sluggish takeoff, CEL light, Poor fuel economy

The leaking fuel is a major suspect. One of your metal barb fittings on the rear has either totally disintegrated or some wayward damage has occurred back there. I would put it it on a life and inspect it thoroughly.

BigB was spot on with his recommendation. Same that I or anyone else on here would say.
How about you use your nugget and start tracing down that vac and fuel leak to start with?
Why would you expect your Milly to run right with two MAJOR ongoing issues?

[TravisJamesBarrett]

first off, I never demanded answers, nor have I been unappreciative with any answers i had received on this forum. Your right though all of the knowledgeable people have left this forum. Im a member of a cadillac forum where everyone puts in their help when someone asks for it. That is how this system works.
It seems like on this forum you ask some questons and the reply is

What the **** do you think, idiot? You have a code that usually indicates a bad gas cap of course that would cause sluggish performance ?

I dont even know if its supposed to be sluggish, the reason I asked is because it has been sluggish since my fiance bought the thing. This is something I've not been able to figure out, as most people online complain about their performance.
Service manuals are also not going to help me out there with performance expectations.

So if you have a knowledgeable idea or an educated guess at what someone is asking it would be a good idea for you guys in the future to either help someone out, or just not bother posting anything. If you don't want to help anyone out, and think of it as too much of a hindrance on your life. Why dont we all just leave because this forum will prove to be less and less usefull in the future if people don't have any intention on helping anyone out.

The forum has no future with comments like ".... all those guys could give two s hits about helping you out bro. They all flew the coupe a long time ago. This place aint the place it "used" to be. Full of little "......." like yourself asking for FREE unappreciated help and demanding answers. Everyone that used to gave a F#$K moved on to bigger and better places. "

**** on someone for asking a guestion about a stranger than average motor.
Oh and as for unappreciative
Thanks for the help guys! I really appreciate it!
As for the little **** comment. Thank the internet for making you into a tough guy, id like to see you say that in person.

[yel-low]

Originally Posted by TravisJamesBarrett

,,,,this forum will prove to be less and less usefull in the future if people don't have any intention on helping anyone out.

You got it buddy ! That's the whole friggn point.

[TravisJamesBarrett]

Sorry for the harshness of my posts I intend to help when I can on this forum as well unfortunately a lot of the posts on here are things i am currently learning about the car myself and I have not much valuable insight on the problems.
I guess I don't take comments I find as rude all that well, I never have in person either lol

But anyway thanks for the advice I have recieved I will drop the tank as I couldn't see anything obvous through the access hole in the trunk, just a gas odor.

We bought the car about 8 months ago for $1450 I knew it wasnt perfect when I got it but she was the one that test drove it, being her decision. I drove it later t always seemed sluggish and didn't show a code for a few weeks, then there was the large evap leak, replaced the gas cap, two days later it was back.

I figured the sluggishness was the nature of the car at that time and ignored it as a real problem and focused my attention on the other aspects it needed, harmonic balancer pulley, plugs all changed, tie rod, struts etc.

It sucks living in nova scotia, and every car you find over 7 or 8 years old is rusty unless its undercoated every year.

[yel-low]

AHHHH that explains the leaking gas. I suspect they probably use tons of salt up there. Somehow the grade of steel they use in those fuel hose barbs is of some high carbon type. It doesn't like galvanic corrosion at all and breaks down very fast. The top of the tank gets a lot of salt spray where it does a number on the metal parts.

I would do what you must to find that leak. It has many more implications on drive-ability than you may think.
The S model is a particularity peppy motor in comparison to most 6 cylinders. That supercharger is a joy but plagued with multiple issues. In time I'm sure you will experience or hear about the typical ones. This place is a plethora of info you just have to do a little digging and searching. I can guarantee any issue you are bound to come up on has been discussed 100X over on here. There is a VERY good tech section. 90% of the things covered have to do with you motor.

There are soo many things that could be going on both code related and some that won't throw codes OR even some that will throw codes but won't translate to the literal meaning of the code. You just have to go through it and do your research.

I do apologize for my bluntness but the last years on this forum seemed to lack the sort of "help" and "contribution" of the past. 99.99% of the post on here are from new guys seeking some serious help on their motor ASAP with total disregard of proper procedure and proper diagnostic measures. They sort of expect you to be the holy grail and tell them what their problem is right off the bat. As you can imagine that is VERY difficult to do as a third party much less virtually.
My free time is limited these days but I will help as much as I can to get you up and rolling.

[TravisJamesBarrett]

Sorry again for my rudeness as well! Now that that is over with I will get to the bottom of the leak. and keep everyone posted if they are interested in my findings.

Yes here were surrounded by the ocean, have temperature fluctuations all the time last month we had a snow storm probably about 6 inches of snow on the roads, today its somewhere around 8 degrees last week double digits. They salt the roads like crazy before during and after any snow ice whatever!.

I thought the two symptoms were probably unrelated I guess i should go and fix the tank before I go and gut her cats too lol

As for the leak like I said it seems to be coming from the top of the tank, and running down the front of the tank on the passanger side. It is a plastic tank so its got to be a line on the top. droppng the tank I see as my only solution unfortunately, I hate dropping gas tanks, luckily this one isnt covered in undercoating like my old buick years ago, I took that one off covered in tar covered in gas what a mess lol