Going to War

[bryanj]

So what is up with USA going to war with Iraq? I thought 'military action' was supposed to be used if Saddam did not comply with UN inspectors. Well the UN inspectors are inspecting....so what is the problem? I don't really understand why Bush is doing this, anyone catch on why we might go to War? The only thing I can think of is b/c of Oil....but that seems rediculous.

[Shayaan]

Well there are the largest reserves of oil in the world in Iraq (next to Saudi Arabia). Afghanistan also had a contract with UNOCAL to build a pipeline to pump oil (something the Taliban renegged on). However when we set up the 'democracy' in Afghanistan, we put Hamid Karzai as the leader and guess who he worked for? UNOCAL. He was one of the chief operators on that pipeline project.

Honestly I think we should just go to war and get it over with. It is about oil, but it's also about a dictator killing his own people and letting them starve, and possibly making weapons that can endanger more lives... just get rid of him.

However there is a democratic movement in Iraq already, and if the US comes in and puts in their own 'democracy' it will be a sham. They need to work with the people of Iraq to set up their own leaders in a democratic fashion. That's something however, that won't happen. It's been proven time and time again, instead of putting leaders good for the people of that country, we have installed leaders that are good for the US and our gas prices (take a look at the Shah of Iran, **** even Saddam Hussein! We put them into power and kept them there.)

So hopefully they do it sooner rather than later and get it over with. It's a waste to keep this lie alive like they actually care about the weapons inspectors at all -- they don't. The inspectors could search every inch of the country and then the the Bush admin would say "they are hiding the weapons really good!" or something like that. It's better just to get it done and over with, but at a projected cost of 50-60 billion dollars and the economy in shambles... it's more politics right now than anything else.

[Milleniahead]

I once thought yea BUSH IS AN IDIOT AND WE should not go to war...BUt now I think NUKE the whole area afganistan, pakistan, iraqastan, and all the other stan's out that mofo....JUst nuke em and start all over again....Its been doen before..But what didn' change is that bush is an idiot....I hate him..He starts **** with too many people...I Wish this whole thing didn't happen where we are going to war..But since my friend in the navy just left for iraq on a air craft carrier ,we are going to war because we wouldn't make moves like that for no reason...I hate Bush..We got this far so far so we cannot stop now...someone is going to do something stoop now and we can't afford to be holding our dicks in our hands so we need to nuke now and ask questions once they are asked in our history books 100 years later.....

[extermin8r]

Nukes are not the answer... Honestly nuclear war is probably the #1 thing I fear the most. We are not the only country with nuclear capabilities ya know. That would be the worst. Anyways... I think I have a pretty good motive for GW. Saddam tried to have his dad assasinated when he came to Iraq (seriously)! That will piss you off for good! Sad but true... I hope this is the last war for a long time... and that the thing with North Korea gets settled. I used to think it was so sweet how badly we could whoop any country's ass. But now it's getting kind of scary because it seems like we are wanting to take on the whole world at once. ****, Ashcroft even said "We can fight two wars at once" (referring to North Korea and Iraq.) That's lame.

[Milleniahead]

O i know that we are not the #1 country anymore..What i think is that if anything alot of people will just nuke us together since we have such a cocky way about us....But then again people would be ****** up in teh world financially w/o us.. We are a heavy superpower when it comes down as to funds and ****...plus you know many people have to come together to have a war anyway...besides the UN...anywayz I just think bush pushed alot of buttons and N korea/China/iraq/russia aren't ones to **** with I dont think..Well anway we will see in a couple of months..I think this war will come to our homeland anyway..All these wars and fights in other countries...People going to bring it here i think... Look at sept 11 and how that had an affect on **** when it hits home..I think its gonna be more of that **** sad to say...SO thats why we must strike first... and make a parking lot of those **** countries..

[Shayaan]

Don't forget there are a lot of innocent people there too... they are just held under oppressive regimes and if they say anything, they can be tortured, killed, whatever... no freedom of speech there.

We just need to remove the bad leaders and give them a leg up to start working towards democracy, but that all comes in time..

[Skiusa2005]

It seems that the public in Iraq supports Saddam's "anti" United States mentallity. Remember they just voted for presidency over there a couple months ago and he pretty much won hands down...he had according to iraqi news 100% of the votes (although I'm sure that was made up and no one ran against him ). I think this country needs to pull there dicks out of every other countries ass. Tap oil reserves in Alaska and just see how financialy stable every other country can be without the support of the US for a while. Lift sanctions, and trade embargos......undo everything that has to do with other countries.....the only thing is just to keep a balance of exports and imports of raw goods and materials. (and cars ). Just ignore the rest of the world. If we were to be attacked on our home land its not like we dont have 8000 miles of water on each side of us. We can defend ourselfs. The last thing we need to do is start a push or "bush" button war (nukes). Besides according to internal reports, korea, iraq and pretty much everyother country does not have the capability to launch nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons that would reach the US (except china,russia, and england). However, it has been said that if Iraq does, there most likely target would be Israel. Bush has decent approval ratings as well. All I know is I'm glad we dont have a democrat in office right now to counter balance the republican congress....otherwise nothing would get done about this situation....and the economy would plunge even farther into the toilet bowl.

[Shayaan]

Nothing's happening in the economy anyways. If you watched the news recently, we got economic stimulus plan to get a tax break for RICH people again! They are allowing people who get dividends from stock to take them tax free... so the people who own lots of stock (rich people) are going to get more money.

Oh, and Bush is throwing $1100 to each family that makes a combined income of less than 37 grand. Woopdie doo. Middle class people are still not getting a **** thing.

Have to add though, about the public in Iraq.. nobody supports that guy. Well almost nobody (very small minority). But if they were to voice an opinion in say... an election... they'd quickly find themselves being tortured or who knows what.

If we tap oil reserves in Alaska we might get oil sure.. and we might ruin the fishing production for the entire continent. It's a lot to lose, for oil that will last an estimated 7 years.

As per having a Democrat in office.. it's the same crap. They are all the same thing. They take payoffs and listen to their donators -- in the case of the Democrats it's unions, in the case of Republicans it's tobacco, oil, and defense companies. Which is the greater evil? Who cares. Either way I don't vote on party lines. I take the time to listen to each person (I voted Republican for NJ senator, Bob Franks.. he lost by a landslide hehe) and vote what I feel is right.

But unfortunately the way government is set up, is that the people in power generally stay in power until they are too old to continue (Strom Thurmand, even after being a racist kept getting re-elected). Personally I think we need a third party (and I did vote for Nader, and will do it again) because there are issues out there that are never addressed, especially for the middle (working) class (me!). The Democrats say they care and then pass law that says the opposite, Republicans think that by giving money to rich people that middle class will benefit... bah..

Anyhoo... It's got nothing to do with Democrat or Republican, it's a matter of having all the facts and then making a rational and educated decision at which point Bush isn't doing, and I doubt Gore would do either.

[Shayaan]

Have to add though... the only country in the world that considers Iraq dangerous is the USA. Israel does not view them as a threat, nor Iran or anybody else. We are the only ones.

[Skiusa2005]

So I guess I'm just not going to talk anymore